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good morning. welcome to "morning joe." we thank you for spending the morning with us. hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday. >> i am. >> are you having a wonderful holiday? >> i love it! i have my 4-year-old jack over there reading the must read pages. little kate somewhere in the back. >> she's rolling prompter. >> actually, i will have her take my barbells to the second floor. i have them here because i exercise. >> and there's joe somewhere. having a great holiday season. >> we're taking a look back at the stories that shaped 2012. joining us on set is msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. hole low, mike. >> hello, mika. >> glad you're awake. >> msnbc political analyst, john
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heilemann. >> hi. >> and co-host of cnbc's squa squawkbox, andrew sorkin. >> do i need to make a joke about yesterday? sn>> you've grown up. >> from washington, we have nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell report reports. >> happy holidays, everyone. >> "washington post" columnist, msnbc contributor. thank you so much for being with us, jonathan. why don't we start with the sor story of the year, barack obama wins, republicans lose in a way that perhaps is more telling than just what one election result might suggest. >> well, i think it certainly
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does. it difference him a certain platform and credibility perhaps he didn't have before. watching as these fiscal cliff negotiations have gone through the holidays, it certainly is more perhaps a little bit more bully pulpit for the president and his position on taxes. the biggest story of the year came at the end of the year in the past week or so, the massacred sandy hook elementary in newtown and i think the presidency now might be shaped by those events. those are the stories barnicle and andrea have chosen as the top stories of 2012 to cover. >> mike barnicle, would you agree this could be a signature of a second term. >> i do agree with that. i think the events a few days ago of newtown in connecticut will help shape the president's second term in office and gives us huge impetus of change in
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this country that have taken too long to take hold. i think to the presidency himself and man himself was shaped and altered by these events as a parent and president. >> let me say joe callhas writt about the action has said what was written about rfk was done. he said we have to act within ten days before the nra gets organized. he failed to do it andologic had -- and lbj had a bill bottled up in the committee and it went through with much less in october and the president spoke angrily about the failure to do
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something to defeat the gun lobby. while i have a spirit of the season and feeling things have changed and saw joe's powerful statement in the immediate aftermath of the killings, i have my doubts whether this president and this congress have the guts and strength and political courage to go forward. >> they have to move quickly, don't they? >> i think they do. you can't lose them. the sense of moral urgency that comes with proximity to this thing. right now, the nra is on its heels. the defenders of per miss gun laws are in a defensive crouch right now and the time you want to capitalize on that. the only time. you don't want to let any sense of complacency step back and
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allow the forces time to regroup and bolster their efforts. they will exist. this will not be an easy thing to get done. >> mika, we talked about this happening in shopping malls in other gone and movie theaters in colorado, college campuses in virginia. finally a first grade class in connecticut, in a state that has tougher gun laws in several other states in a community that looked like it should be so shielded from this in a season it's supposed to be about peace. i think it underlined in so many ways why none of us are shielded from this kind of violence unless we force our leaders to do something. >> again, i worry about what andrea mitchell is saying about the concern whether the
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president and congress has the guts to do something. i would say it would be one of the most disappointing things i have ever witnessed in my entire lifetime if we can't make fundamental changes in our gun laws and not only that, how we handle mental illness in this country and school security and the purvervasive and deadly cule of these violent video games, i don't care, i'll say it, feed into this, almost every profile we see and literally give these young male shooters guideposts as to how to commit a mass murder, a massacre and they literally sit for hours learning how to do it and enjoying it and then you wonder why it actually happens sometimes. >> children already desensitized. andrea mentioned the statement i made right after these terrible killings. there are some people, are you
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religi really going to bliame -- >> yes, i am. >> i remember when my two older boys had video games and it made the progression and they bring home james bond and running around seems like every other video game and then get to a point somebody raises a gun and pulls the trigger. i remember being so horrified 10 years ago i jumped out of my seat, what the hell is that? ran across, grabbed the video game out, threw it away. a couple christmases ago, they bring home one of these war games, we're just sitting there watching them as they shoot 20, 30, 40 people in a two, three minute time period. it happens, you isolate these kids and sit in their room and
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do this. >> for hours. >> hours and hours at a time. combine that with mental health problems with a pervasive gun culture, like the one this boy had in his house, tragedy follows. >> even the 30 second commercials for some of the video games are horrific. i understand where andrea is coming from. i certainly understand the cynicism. we've all lived through these events in the past where nothing has happened. i think we have reason for hope with this terrible terrible thing that happened in newtown, connecticut. it is this. this is no diminish men diminis anything that happened in aurora or virginia tech or any place in this country. this event that happened in newtown, connecticut, is much easier to access on an emotional level for huge numbers of people
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in this country because of the ages of the victims. 6 and 7 years of age. all of us with children have memories of children 6 and 7 and you can access immediately at an emotional level the deaths of these children. that's why there's strength in what the president said and will be lingering anger at the president nothing's been done and all the elements ah eve spoken about. >> the video games so violent wen we were kids, definitely us, maybe you, too. you had a lonely socially disfunctional child that was maybe an outcast. chances are he'd watch too much television and maybe he'd see "starsky & hutch" too much or something else. you know what they do now? they sit in front of the computer and watch people die by their own hand in these games. it's absolutely ludicrous this can happen and we don't make a
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direct link because that's what these young boys, lonely troubled, sometimes medicated boys. i'll say it. they have all deficit versions of mental illness and personality disorders. these profiles are the same and they're all doing it. it is connected. >> it is. jonathan, the problem is, when you talk about it, you talk about violence in hollywood movies or video games, you'll have people on the left saying, you're just trying to show the nra -- then, when you go after the nra, you will have people saying, you're not looking at mental health. everybody creates a false choice. if you talk about violence on americans and somehow not talking about guns and if you talk about guns, you're not taking a strong stand on mental health and everybody avoids the
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issues and not getting anything done. >> everyone is using the argument as diversions from dealing with the issues at hand. none of these things have been in isolation. i'm glad you're having this conversation because one thing be gets the other. if people don't think violent video games has something to do with this or mental illness has something to do with this and growing isolation of young boys or young people has anything to do with this, they're crazy. the other thing is we talk about what the president has done or hasn't done on gun issues, whether this will give the president the bully pulpit moment to do something on this. yes, we should focus on the president, he is the president and chief competitive. we need to take a look at what's going on to push back against
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nra. mayor bloomberg is doing his part with his pushback against guns and pack. and he's going against it in a way only mike bloomberg can because he's a billionaire, and gives him the money to go against the nra others don't have and the independence to tell the nra to stuff it. if you have the president pushing and mayor bloomberg pushing, we should give our congress the courage to say we're not listening to you, this time we're going to do something. >> john heilemanheilemann? >> i think that's all true. the president has the loudest voice, only one voice. it's the largest voice. the truth is, as people pointed
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out, in his first term did not dedicate a lot of political capital in the wake of other shootings and not really done much about this. i do think president obama heading into a second term, now, what he's playing for is his legacy. the things he accomplishes over the next four years are legacy matters. he cares about that enthusiasmly. he said it now in the speech he gave sunday night after the massacre, i will use all the power available to me in this office to keep this from happening again. he expects to be held to that, should be held to that. hard to lay down a marker and walk away from that. fe >> andrew sorkin, one big difference today after aurora or oregon and these other shootings.
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he's had four mass shootings since elengcted president. he's been re-elected and lots of people see it as a lame duck presidency. but he's had more power as we've seen in budget negotiations. >> my worry, and i second everything said around the table. my worry, i think andrew is worried, you really have to get out of your shell and have courage to take this on. are we talking about bringing back the laws from 1994 or are we going further? are people willing to go further and frankly, i think we should go further. and health issues, is that really on the table. you mentioned video games. i agree with you. having said that, you can see the first amendment arguments will be there and lobbying on
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all these issues. my great fear is maybe we do go back to the laws of 1994. i'm not sure in this day and age when you add up to other issues, when it comes to video games and health issues we get there. one is there's a technological solution i keep hearing more and more about we should force gun makers to have electronic fingerprints on the guns to individuals, if we're going to have them out there at all, not talking about semi-automatics, straight handguns. the second issue is in this world we live in. i was just at the airport, we spend billions of dollars with the tsa to avoid one shoe bomber. to avoid one person with mental health issues. as much as i want to focus on mental health issues, i think the guns ultimately are it. >> you look at the fact we have
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allowed the federal government to be intrusive every time we get on the plane. we have allowed our 9-year-old children to be stopped and frisked. our grandmothers to be stopped and frisked. all these people that are our loved ones, every time we go through a tsa screening. we're willing to do that because of the attacks of 9/11 but we're not willing to tell a small niche of gun enthusiasts they can't carry around semi-automatic combat style weapons with these magazine clips that allow you to reel off 10, 15, 30 bullets per second that spin and rip young children to shreds. really? really? i don't think so. coming up, our discussion of the top stories of the year continues. later, the most mem aborable moments from mitt romney's run
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welcome back to "morning joe." we want to continue our conversation on stories that shaped the past week even though events of the past week or so seemed to overshadow everything. why don't we start with john heilemann's choice with a certain statement made at a certain funds razor. >> before i mention mitt romney's 47% comment. i want to go over something i said earlier. it's easy to lose the forest for the trees. president obama won, not in a race that was said to be razor thin and super close, he wins 52% of the votes one of only five presidents who won 51% in
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two elections. >> not even close when it comes to the swing states. at the end of the day, it wasn't close. an historic big victory for him and one that pore tends a lot for the future of american politics with the coalition of who elected him. latinos, women. asians. african-american african-americans and there's probably no single moment of mitt romney's loss and no more single moment than the 47% video. he had been painted by his own words and president obama's team as a heartless out of touch p s plutocrat. that image stuck to him and m-- >> i hate to interrupt.
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the article of the year and i hate to say it since you are here, we all have -- you had the article in the may magazine and talked to obama's people and said, basically, we can't win on our record so we have to destroy mitt romney and tear him apart. this is how we're going to do it and they did exactly what they told you back in may what they were going to do. >> they did. >> did no wone from mitt romneys campaign get a subscription to "new york" magazine. >> it was like what they said on bain and take him out on his taxes and more important paint him as a figure of the past. it adds up to, someone who doesn't understand your problems from a bygone american who doesn't have anything to say to the voters who will make up our winning margin. to wrap that around the 47%.
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all that damage had been done by how the obama team painted him. then mitt romney came out -- >> then mitt romney talked. >> with his own words, revealed in september, seemingly and vividly and confirming his own words and mouth caught on videotape all the caricatu caricatures -- >> at 47%, we focus on that. we forget this is a guy -- katel greatest hits for democratic ad makers. i like firing people. won a big victory in florida and the next morning go on a cable news show and say something equally shocking. i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> for me, the 47% video was so -- it was shocking in its brutal honesty, but also how he was able to devery half the
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country. i don't have to worry about those folks, those folks are freeloaders, looking for a handout, they don't know personal responsibility. these are the people he, one, hopes to lead, and, two, you would think he would want their votes. the next day, he doubled down on that and then a week later tried to pull it back. so for the american people to see someone to be president of the united states insult them, that was the one thing that put the lid on -- >> probably not a good marketing strategy. hey, coke ads life, but in this case, we'd rather you die. people aren't going to buy coke. >> andrew ross sorkin wants in. think the bigger issue this framed up and why it's so
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important, not just this past year but going into this next year, it reframed the inequality story in this country. we talk about makers and takers. to me, the 47% in many ways reflected what the occupy wall street folks talked about when they talked about we are the 99%. ho hopeful hopefully, i hope that issue of romney's commencemet as short a was, reignited in this country the kind of jobs we want and raised issues about unions. it's much more than a political sentence and taken on all sorts of other meanings that has changed the debate and already changed the debate as we go into the new year. >> what's interesting the president won, know doubt about it, he won handily. you look at the one big event a lot of us thought might be the defining moment, it was the
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first debate in denver where the president of the united states decided to not show up. >> it was profound ly important at the time and showed a lack of enga engagement and particular and personal to barack obama. if you look at the polling data. i went to briefings as you did as well with the people who do the polling for the presidents at the campaign, it moved the needle one point. they knew going back to the 47 % argument, they knew from months and months ago because of changes in demographic population changes they had so much going for them, they were never within 4 or 5 points of losing this campaign. the only dip they saw actually was after denver. they knew because of increasing hispanic and women and other minority involvement, the 47% was not going to lose because
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they simply had a majority. it has a profound impact on so many social issues we can discuss. >> among other top stories of 2012 you chose, you chose along with mike barnicle, of all people as a smart point as well as andrew ross sorkin. sup superstorm sandy climate change. >> that made that an impact on the last week of the election as well. >> i think so, joe. what happened after sandy, during sandy, to the lives of so many people on long island and new jersey, elsewhere, in an odd way is tied into the topic of 47% remark mitt romney made. a campaign -- in my memory, i can't recall a campaign so staggeri staggeringly incompetent at the level of responding to things. months went by and before it was
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released, the 47% comment was released, i can't get over the fact the campaign was so in competent they ran for months without any knowledge or attachment to the emotional lives of voters. what happened with bain and attacks on bain and thus on romney is that people make links, emotional link, bain, they took the factory and someone else took my house. other forces are taking my children's futures. when sandy occurs, that's part of it, you know, my house is gone. part of my life is gone. >> you're right. >> the emotional lives of voters they completely missed. >> did they run this in a glue factory where the fumes -- >> he's a management consultant. what did he ever manage or consult on. >> you have this democratic
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super pac doing ads of workers hurt by bain. the romney campaign's response to that was not to go and find other workers who would attest to bain's management, talked to ceos who talked about how romney was a great guy. you can't imagine a worse response to that criticism. coming up, the must read opinion pages of the year. later, what would lincoln do. academy award winner steven spielberg of the 16th president and what can other politicians learn of his leadership of a polarized america. back in a moment.
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joe." each morning on the show, we discuss some of the best opinion pieces of the morning. today, i'm going to resurrect some of the strongest ones from the past year that sparked discussions on our show. >> fantastic. >> i will speak about the last one that went to print, that is the "new york post" of all papers, the sandy hook horror, taking a stand on guns. >> the conservative "new york post." >> we know that guns don't kill, people do. we also know it's extremely difficult to justify the presence of high volume of fire military style weaponry in modern society. yes, those who would disarm america must contend with the constitution. now, those who defend the second amendment have to do so in the context of the sandy hook slaughter. as a matter of conscious, it's going to be a very tough case to make. i thought that was incredibly brave. >> it's a stunner.
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it really is a stunner and jonathan ka jonath jonathan, and rupert murdoch own s several publications and his own network and he got out early with statements saying, what are we doing here? being shocked by the carnage, i wonder if that will have an impact across other -- his other publications and news stations. >> joe, for you to take the strong stance you've taken, if we're going to have any movement here, the advocates who want some sort of regulation on firearms are going to need to be joined by folks at the "new york post," folks like joe
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scarborough and kercconservativ who can guide the conversation in a way, yes, it protects the right to bear arms. but as you said earlier, no right is absolute. if we're going to get to a place where we can all live in safety, democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives, progressives all have to come together and do it together. >> guys like joe manchin, who not only have spent their careers vilifying the nra and believing in the nra, believing in the second amendment right of people to keep and bear arms, but understand the laws have changed and facts have changed and we better find a way to deal with it. >> and people have changed. rupert murdoch one of the greatest examples. as you indicated, he began
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tweeting within hours after the sandy hook school shootings and the new york editorial. we have fox news. repert m rupert murdoch has a history and knowledge of what happens with guns and assault weapons. in england in 1986, 16 school children were shot and killed. within two years, parliament had passed maybe the world's most stringent gun legislation. >> the ban. >> yes. that is still existent in london today. murdoch is intimately familiar with this. he could be a powerful voice with this. >> gun laws passed in australia after a tight legislation there, a gun culture like in america, has always been comfortable with guns. they passed some tough measures on some assault weapons.
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what a big difference it's made through the years. >> murdoch is an important figure for years. we talked about the president's need to lead on this. it's real. he needs to lead. at the same time, for legislation to get passed, conservative democrats in rural pro gun districts around the country. you have to look at people like rupert murdoch, does that position carry over to the fox news. it's easier for the "new york post" in liberal manhattan and the rest of the country. does fox news start to move? that's an important thing. doses orrin hatch saying he will not run for re-election in 2018, is he going to be a republican in the past worked with gun control advocates, will he be a leader on the republican side? those are the people to watch over the next few months.
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i'll go to the last one. go to this one, sparked a great conversation and turned out to be true, as usual, quite frankly, of your analysis of the republican party. no. it's not fun. i don't think this is fun for you. crazy never wins by joe scarborough in "politico." by that standard, it is in short supply and using the standard my father used, it's not hard to pick out the pretenders in this year's field. guys like my dad do not gamble on candidates like michele bachmann or newt gingrich and guys like my dad tune out politicians who compare opponents to joseph stalin or adolph hitler and guys like my dad don't cozy up to texas governors who brag about seceding from the union or call social security unconstitutional. >> the nominee wasn't willing to stand up to crazy. early on, there were so many time, he could have just turned,
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mike barnicle, to michele bachmann, who said something outrageous and go, wait a second. i'm a conservative. are you kidding me? or to herman cain or when sarah palin was running around calling barack obama a socialist, bordering on a communist and all these other things that were going on. crazy never wins but we learned another thing. you better stand up to crazy if you want to win in bucks county, pennsylvania, if you want to win in the i-4 corridor or win in the suburbs of ohio and if you want to win in the place where elections are actually won! >> you know, i would ask you, john heilemann, as a keen obser observer of the electoral scene was not the dye cast for mitt romney and perhaps the rest of the year in terms of republican politics on the evening when all of the 10 candidates on stage were asked to raise their hands
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if they were in favor of a dollar raise in revenue and $10 in budget cuts? not one raised his or her hand. that was the definition of crazy right there. >> a vivid illustration. you think about mitt romney constantly out trying to get further to the right than anybody who challenged him. >> to the right of rick perry on immigration and right of santorum on contraception. these are not the places you win in the middle of the electorate, pretty far outside the mainstream. >> guys like my dad, who never voted for a democratic president in his life, would look at the tv set and go, are they kidding me? i'm turning over to see the atlanta braves. >> i want to go to this one, made headlines, the cover story of the "atlantic."
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why women still can't have it all. all my life i've been on the other side of this exchange and i've been the women smiling the faintly superior smile while another woman told me she had decided to take time out or pursue a less competitive career. so she could spend more time with her family. i've been the one telling young women at my lectures you can have it all and do it all regardless what field you are in which means i've been part, all be interest, unwittingly, of making millions of women feel they are to blame if they could not manage to rise up the ladder as fast as men and also have a family and active home life and be thin and beautiful to boot. it really reignited the debate this article over the decision to stay at home or work full time as i learned recently in my
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own neighborhood after an altercation with a woman, that debate is very much alive. >> she brought nunchakus. >> lord. there's a real tension i thought we had passed. anyway, that was a very good piece i'm sure you all have no interest in. have great interest interes interest. >> i have great interest and mike has great interest. >> women can have it all. >> no, they really can't actually. >> they can have it all. you suffer and sacrifice things guys doesn't in terms of getting it all. think women who make either decision do, it's absolutely right on both sides of the debate. >> we all care deeply, mika, we do. >> you would not have wanted to been there at that moment with that lady on my street. you would have run away sh r shrivelled up crying. >> jonathan ka, thank you for bg
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with us when we return soon. >> we will see some of mitt romney's comments running for president.
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mitt romney declared his candidacy for the presidency on june the 2nd 2011.
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17 months later his second bid for the oval office fell short once again. >> here now are the top moments that stood out from romney's run, the good, the bad and the ugly. >> i have just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. his supporters and his campaign also deserve congratulations. i wish all of them well, but particularly the president, the first lady, and their daughters. this is a time of great challenges for america and i pray that the president will be successful in guiding our nation. developing news right now, mitt romney makes it official launching his 2027 presidential bid today in new hampshire. >> rick, i'll tell you what. 10,000 bucks? $10,000 bet? >> as they would say in chi
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china -- >> i'm speak, i'm speaking. are you just going to keep talking or let me finish with what i have to say. >> i realize the red light doesn't mean anything to you because you're the front-runner. can we drop a little bit of the pious baloney? >> good evening, the start of the 2012 general election season might some day be traced right back to today. >> after 43 primaries and caucuses, together we are going to win on november 6th. >> republicans and congress have found a nominee who promised to rubber stamp this agenda if he gets the chance. we cannot give him that chance. >> what's up gangstas? it's the mi double tizzle. >> i like seeing the lakes. i love the lakes. i like cars. i like being able to fire
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people. i like grits. strange things are happening to me. i met a guy seven feet tall. i figured he had to be in sport but he wasn't in sports. ♪ for purple mountains majesty above the fruit plain ♪ >> corporations are people, my friend. >> guess what? i made a lot of money. i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> is this a category 5 crisis for the romney campaign? >> it depends whether they turn the campaign around or not. you have three presidential debates. >> what do pew want you want me romney? can't do that to himself. >> i accept your nomination for president of the united states! >> the first presidential debate now just a matter of hours away. i think it will be a great one. >> i like pbs, i call it big bird. i will call it the economy tax. it's been crushing.
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i have been in business 25 years. i have no idea what you're talking about. >> where was obama tonight? he went in there disarmed. romney was winning. >> you'll get your chance in a moment. that wasn't a question, it was a statement. >> i don't look at my -- >> you said the day after the rose garden you said it wasn't an act of terror. >> he did call it an act of terror. >> could you say that a little louder. >> they also had horses and bayonets and say it louder and somehow that would make a difference. >> all tied up, our brand new numbers on the race for president. >> here's old moderate mitt. where you been, boy? i missed you the last two years. >> if you can't change washington inside the white house, let's get you the plane ticket to chicago you've earned. >> don't vote. voting is the best revenge.
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>> not revenge, instead, i ask the american people to vote for love of country. >> today is election day. >> people are choosing on the direction of the country. >> just four hours from now, the first presidential polls are going to close. >> new hampshire is too close to call, virginia is too close to call. florida is too close to call. >> pennsylvania has been held by president obama. >> so far, not exactly the way the night that i think that romney would hope for. >> ohio. president barack obama remains president of the united states for a second term. >> the romney family has chosen to give back to america to public service. that is the legacy that we honor and applaud tonight. >> i so wish that i had been able to fulfill your hopes to lead the country in a different direction but the nation chose another leader and so ann and i join with you to earnestly pray
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